I kind of miss small jeeps

"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch) 10/19/2018 at 14:43 • Filed to: Jeep, Joop, Wrangler, Size comparisons

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This video doesn’t tell the whole story, so I did a graphical top down illustration of size.

The JLU (by far the most popular wrangler) is literally twice as big, and heavy as its CJ forefathers

cj-2a footprint - 50.6 square feet

JLU footprint - 96.6 square feet

Cj-2a weight - 2,140 lbs

JLU weight - 4,440 lbs

I realize you get a lot more Jeep and that its a much better overall vehicle, but I think its lost some of the spunk the old jeeps had on account of their plucky size. The main thing that strikes me when I see the new ones is the width. The track width is enormous compared to the old ones.

This is just a small(er) Jeep appreciation thread.

Chuckles > HammerheadFistpunch 10/19/2018 at 14:48

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It’s too bad that the Roxor isn’t street legal. I like the idea of its  simplicity combined with not being old and rusty like most used Jeeps in PA.

Censored > HammerheadFistpunch 10/19/2018 at 14:51

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TJ = perfect balance of modern and old.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Chuckles 10/19/2018 at 14:53

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Isn’t it street legal in some ways? I know in a lot of rural areas you can plate ATVs and stuff as long as they are kept to rural roads.

If I lived in the middle of nowhere and was like... a teacher at a nearby school or something.  I would  10/10 drive one.

For Sweden > HammerheadFistpunch 10/19/2018 at 14:53

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I still like small J eeps

HammerheadFistpunch > Censored 10/19/2018 at 14:57

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Yup. 

HammerheadFistpunch > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/19/2018 at 14:59

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You can’t, as of right now, do that with the roxor

jasmits > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/19/2018 at 15:00

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Some US states and I’d imagine Canadian provinces allow you to plate ATVs as long as they meet certain standards for lights and whatnot, so in those places yes.

Just Jeepin' > HammerheadFistpunch 10/19/2018 at 15:00

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Small Jeep you say?

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > HammerheadFistpunch 10/19/2018 at 15:01

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What?  Why can’t anything good in this world exist?

Party-vi > HammerheadFistpunch 10/19/2018 at 15:02

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smol joop is best joop

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > jasmits 10/19/2018 at 15:02

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I know for a fact that Alberta allows it.  I’ve ridden plated ATV’s there.  I would assume other provinces allow it or are so unpopulated that nobody cares.

Kiltedpadre > Just Jeepin' 10/19/2018 at 15:04

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I really want one of these, and that’s even one of my top choice for colors.

Chuckles > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/19/2018 at 15:05

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There is nowhere in my part of the world (Pennsylvania) that let s you plate ATVs. Maybe in Akaska, but nowhere on the east coast. So it’s not of much use to me. A shame, since I think that they are nifty. I saw one this summer at a display in town.

Just Jeepin' > Kiltedpadre 10/19/2018 at 15:08

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Yellow is such a classic Jeep color.

unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) > HammerheadFistpunch 10/19/2018 at 15:13

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Thanks for making the YJ font and size comparison yellow

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > For Sweden 10/19/2018 at 15:24

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Error 404: Jeep not found.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > HammerheadFistpunch 10/19/2018 at 15:25

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You can still get a small Jeep in the form of the Compass and Renegade!

For Sweden > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 10/19/2018 at 15:36

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-_-

My X-type is too a real Jaguar > Chuckles 10/19/2018 at 15:42

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You have to wonder how many Roxors are going to get illegal vin swaps from basket case CJ 2s

vicali > HammerheadFistpunch 10/19/2018 at 15:57

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Me too

HammerheadFistpunch > vicali 10/19/2018 at 16:00

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The best small Jeep

benjrblant > HammerheadFistpunch 10/19/2018 at 16:29

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Not necessarily a Joop thing, but I m ourn the enbiggenation of all vehicles. Small cars can be excellent too. I dunno why everything has to be enormous.

HammerheadFistpunch > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/19/2018 at 16:29

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I think they refused to sell the kits and certifications to appease Jeep and placate them from suing.  Fat lot of good that did them.  I hope Jeep gets their ass handed to them though and Mahindra counter sues.  Just because.

HammerheadFistpunch > For Sweden 10/19/2018 at 16:30

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about XJ sized...on the outside, not for heart size.

HammerheadFistpunch > Censored 10/19/2018 at 16:32

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I really like the TJ, I think its the perfect wrangler.  Not to small, I mean SMALL but not unlivable.  4.0 I6 with reliable injection, coil springs, good aftermarket.  Durable (crap) interiors, minimal electronics to break.  Good little things.  This one in the picture was the 2.5 5 speed without any traction adders at all and it follow a lifted Taco, Frontier and my cruiser through some pretty hairy terrain.  

HammerheadFistpunch > benjrblant 10/19/2018 at 16:33

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yup. 97 cruiser = size of 2017 4runner.

nermal > Chuckles 10/19/2018 at 17:18

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Move to WV, nobody cares about side-by-sides being driven on the street there.

Chuckles > nermal 10/19/2018 at 17:21

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I enjoy driving through WV, but I don't like the Roxor enough to move. 

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > For Sweden 10/19/2018 at 17:23

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you mean:   0_0

ranwhenparked > HammerheadFistpunch 10/19/2018 at 18:39

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Even the current 2-door Wrangler is over a foot longer than the YJ.

I believe it is still the smallest non-FWD 4-seater you can buy, but, still, the whole idea was to be compact and nimble, like a mountain goat. 

For Sweden > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 10/19/2018 at 18:51

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HammerheadFistpunch > ranwhenparked 10/19/2018 at 19:07

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When looking for dimension for this I came across an article saying that there is no point in pining for another lj, since the 2 door jl is pretty much the same size.

ranwhenparked > HammerheadFistpunch 10/19/2018 at 19:35

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I think the JK 2-door is something like 6 inches shorter than the old TJ Unlimited, but they’re within about an inch of each other in wheelbase, interior room has to be about the same. 

Censored > HammerheadFistpunch 10/19/2018 at 19:39

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Yep, for off reading the 4 banger is fine. Hwy driving is another story.

i86hotdogs > For Sweden 10/19/2018 at 21:23

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love the renegade. Yes, it falls short of a replica mini wrangler, but you can get it in a stick, 4x4, and theres plenty of aftermarket inventory to build your ORV.

Longtime Lurker > HammerheadFistpunch 10/19/2018 at 22:33

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I particularly fond of what I like to call “Little wheel Wranglers”.

It just makes it look extra small with the tires tucked in.

HammerheadFistpunch > Longtime Lurker 10/19/2018 at 23:24

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There’s certainly and honesty about it as well. And truthfully you really didn't need huge tires on those older Jeeps. They got anywhere they needed to go on 31s

Nothing > HammerheadFistpunch 10/20/2018 at 11:10

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The cargo space is vastly different, even if they’re close in size. A usable 23.4 cu ft in the LJ, vs 12.9 for a JL 2 door. That’s the diffence between my son’s hockey crap fitting behind a seat and not.

That said, my preference in future Jeep ownership would be LJ, then whatever variant of a two door I can find at the right price. LJ will mostly likely exceed my “fun”budget.